And during undergrad, in architecture school, I write about lots of different sustainability methodologies and went to all these lectures and read books and biomimicry was one of them, but I'm just kind of one of many, and it really wasn't until 2014 that I went to a lecture at the university of Colorado, Denver by Michael Paul. who is a very famous, architect. And he kind of reminded me of like, oh yeah, this is why I wanted to be an architect and why I want to do sustainability. https://www.solvecast.com/articles/detail/27971-biomimicry-for-enhancing-products-and-the-built-environment