So like diversity, diversity is not human resources, responsibility. It's a business issue. And it's a one that we have to honor our commitment in this area. So goes hand in. So you really have to have, I say, if you're choosing a few people from the executive level, choose a couple who are not pleased with what's happening right now, they want something different. https://www.solvecast.com/articles/detail/27869-3-steps-to-organizational-leadership-success